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The companion podcast

The conversation behind the book: why Medicare is confusing on purpose, and what that confusion costs the people it lands on.

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What this is

This is the episode printed in the front of the book.

Mark's own words: worth listening to even if you do not buy the book. It is not a sample chapter and it does not read the book to you.

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